Why doesn't anyone want to discuss what actions we need take now to get from where we actually are to where we want to go? Not entertaining enough? Too difficult? I'm not saying that I have confidence we'll get solar toilets if we try, but I'm sure no one on this site is working in that direction whether they think they are trying
It was my understanding that SierraNevada has put a lot of time and effort in this very task in question. I recall(correct me if I am wrong) that he has written numerous correspondences, rallied others to do so, disseminated written reports on the topic, etc.
Bee
We've heard many NEPA presentations from SN. The fact is, that issue can't get us solar toilets no matter how much time has been spent on it.
As I posted last year:
05/27/12 08:45 PM
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I'd like to see new solar toilets too.
I don't question the ease of winning a "NEPA lawsuit". But it can only force the Forest Service to publish an altered proposal and solicit, record and publish comments on the altered plan. It can't acquire, require or spend a budget for toilets. That was the point the court made when a similar argument to enforce an action on the basis of the content of NEPA comments was made in the HSHA case. Any suggestion that the NEPA process allows commenters to actually select from the alternatives discussed is a misrepresentation.
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One problem is the budget and the real problem with the budget is finding someone willing to afford the costs of defending the action against Wilderness Act/Wilderness Designation enforcement law suits from those who are happy with the current form of the Wilderness Act and the designation of Whitney and Half Dome under that definition of wilderness. ... To get solar toilets or a higher quota on the cables at Half Dome that "Wilderness" issue is what needs resolution. Soliciting and publishing comments in satisfaction of NEPA requirements doesn't alter that situation either.
The next problem is that even if someone can afford the costs of the legal challenges, they have to win.
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I would add that "legal challenges" don't have to come from outside. Any supervisor in the Forest Service/Department of Agriculture chain of command who believes that the "Wilderness" issues preclude building solar toilets, or just believes that a challenge would succeed is a pretty effective barrier.
I still haven't seen any constructive activity here. What accomplishments do you, Bee, think you have seen that has taken us closer to having solar toilets than we were a year ago?
Dale B. Dalrymple