I am perfectly civil with people who want to give transparent information, argue their points fairly with sources and citations, and are willing to concede when they have a misunderstood point corrected. You've been none of those things in this thread. When you get pushback, you get aggressive and start calling names and using profanity. There must be a reason for that.
Ken, I have no horse in this race, except that I'd like to float my boat legally on the existing lake. (And even on that point, you misinterpreted what I wrote!) But I have tangled with you on other issues, and can attest that you get personal, exaggerate people's suggestions or points into absurd statements, and in general, attack and insult people you disagree with.
You are NOT perfectly civil in your arguments, you do not argue your points fairly, your pushback is more mudslinging and baiting than respectable debate.
Saltydog and SierraNevada are both respectable, well-educated professionals. Insulting someone and then claiming some sort of victory isn't a victory.
I'd like to lock this thread, but then you'd howl about censorship.
Good grief!
