> Look at Yosemite Valley. I find it hard to identify anyone who thinks the development and the hordes are a good thing.

smile Ken, I stand here as Exhibit A.

I fully believe that the world is overpopulated. But you already know my opinion on locking people out of a place like Yosemite Valley. Managing the crowds and hordes, yes. But lock them out, no way!

I am pretty much neutral on the idea of removing HH. But it yanks my chain that SF does not permit even canoes on HH -- another example of locking people out. It is an example of "something bad is happening".

> Because I want what I want! I want it for ME, NOW.

You keep using that term. It is not for "ME NOW". I just think our beautiful places should be managed better so they can be shared better, and not just locked up.