Thanks Ken, indeed yo're right about pack weight. I have good equipment but am taking too much warm stuff "just in case"! And honestly part of it is for exercise. Our hikes are only hours long as opposed to days long so it's not too overwhelming and I'll burn some calories. As I said, I have no experience hiking at freezing temps so don't really know how to plan/expect. So, for instance, I'm taking 2 pair of gloves, 1 lite weight and 1 for very cold. 2 pair of leg long underwear silk and fleece. That's the type of overkill I do.... Suggestions; I'll eagerly accept!!