ok so i might really be underestimating this hike. I read that fast groups summit and return in 8-10 hours avg is 10-14 and slower is 15+. Is this incorrect? My personal goal is under 10 hours but it appears from everyone that I am dreaming.

Steve: id be happy to keep everyone informed on our plans and how things are progressing. And the option for anyone who wants to hike for a day on the 9th stands, i would hate for the 2 passes i reserved to be lost. I hear the lottery is not easy to get.

THe reason we want to 'rus' tp the summit is twofold. 1) i think it would be incredible to catch sunrise at the highest point in the continental US and 2) i love physically challenging myself, so if i train to the point where i could do it, Id feel very proud of that (ignorance can be bliss, no?)

THank you eveyrone for the suggestions on prep hikes and things to do prior. Is the trail really that hard to locate at night? Im now a bit worried about getting lost on the summit.