Originally Posted By: Ken

Generally, people just want what they want what they want, and to hell with everybody else, and couldn't care less what the actual law and regulations are.

This reads like a definition of Entitlement


"What is a wilderness experience?" Brings to mind an excellent 1960's jazz gem by Les McCann named Compared to What


To the poor, 'maligned' flip-flop crowd on Half Dome (that some feel a peculiar protective bend towards) the cable experience IS the closest that one has been to the wilderness (count me in that crowd at one time; the Half Dome day hike was my first ever hike)

To the seasoned back-country curmudgeon, encountering one person in seven days may deem the whole experience ruined by a 'population explosion' in north quad of Yosemite.

And.....to a person who has done more navigating in the desert and underwater, two trees together seems like wilderness -- which brings to mind yet another song: Horse With No Name

"The ocean is a desert, with it's life underground,
And a perfect disguise above..."

It's all subjective if you take a survey



The body betrays and the weather conspires, hopefully, not on the same day.