Wow, thanks for the info. That's great to know. If we show up the day prior to a no-show permit, can we get an overnight permit for THAT night, or is it always starting the following day/night? We want to do the summit and get off the mountain Saturday Oct. 8, so the decision is between camping Friday at the portal and dayhiking the whole thing, or camping out LPL or Outpost if we can get an overnight permit for that night. If you can get a same day overnight permit, is there a best way to do that. For next day no-show permits, I've read you just show up at the Lone Pine Ranger Station at 2:00pm, but haven't heard anything about whether same day is possible. Thanks again for the help. It's really appreciated.