Originally Posted By: DUG
Ken - your approach could be applied to ANY organization then.

If the Whitney Zone has a troll it reflects badly on the whole board huh? Must be a leadership issue.

Muslims ALL bad? Catholics?

A hiker ditches a wag bag then ALL hikers are bad?
A soldiers screws up so the whole military is AFU? I'm proud to serve scouting because I'm making a difference. If you want to think less of me - that's your call shipmate...........DUG

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I wanted to respond to DUG's post, above, not as a debate point, but to contrast what I'm trying to say, with what he took from what I'd said.

First, his point about any organization: I agree.
Second, I also agree. We only have to think back to how bad the WPS board used to be, before it was actively moderated. That was an issue of moderation, and what was acceptable.
Third, Muslims and Catholics who are not acting as part of an organization, no.
But part of an organization, yes, they reflect on that organization, as the Catholic Church is finding.
Fourth, "a hiker" is not part of an organization.
Fifth, "a soldier" IS part of an organization. if they screw up, and are not held accountable, YES. If multiple soldiers screw up, indicating poor training, YES.

I greatly respect the military. The military academies operate according to an honor code: "I will not lie, cheat or steal, nor tolerate those that do"

The BSA TRY to take care of the first half, but I think they fall down a bit on the second.

When bad things happen, and the response, AS AN ORGANIZATION, is, well, that's just the way it is......that's not good. There are too many of us who work in too many fields that constantly work towards trying to achieving perfection, knowing that we never will.

I am simply disappointed by the BSA response. I would expect every leader in the movement to be outraged, not by outside criticism of the BSA, but by the needless death of children. What the hell is the priority? How about a grass-roots initiative by the leaders who know what they are doing, to eliminate all avoidable deaths. I am reminded of the Global Polio Eradication Initiative's motto:

EVERY * LAST * CHILD