Stacy, I can see it now - in the next few weeks Joe will get fitted for crampons, invest in an ice axe, and start challenging Shin's record. The route up the center of the bowl will be re-christened the FrogArt Route by Christmas, and he'll be pulling Baldy doubles by next spring. By the time I get back out there in February he'll be bored to tears with the idea of hiking in Death Valley and climbing Corkscrew Peak, and probably want to drag me up Whitney's East Buttress in whiteout conditions.