Hi again John. I applied for weekdays during the 1st 3 weeks of September, for a party of 2. If we don't make the 1st cut, I'll maybe try in April or May to get a permit.

I could do the leap of faith method as according to the previous years of no shows, there seem to be places available. However, I'm not sure what the competition would be on the spot. I could have a total of 3 week days available. I was planning on an extra day anyways if the weather was bad.

I'm looking at doing the MR and that seems exciting and challenging, so I'm not sure other mountains will do it for me! I'm planning a road trip,which will be fun even without Whitney, but I would be disappointed if we didn't get the chance to try it.

If needed, I'd be interested in hearing how successful other people's leaps of faith were.

Btw, the link you provided gave me the same phone number that the Recreation.gov woman gave me.

K