Originally Posted By: Harvey Lankford

I only brought this up to point out the ice variabiity from year to year. I agree no interest in posting various "proofs" for one side or the other. Climate change is real, but the "why" has become like religion. Maybe the "truth" is somewhere in the middle.

Even the Bush administration's science team, Exxon Mobil, and every other oil company has recognized the "why" of climate change associated with human activity. So they're also religious zealots? It's been interesting to watch as their story changed from "no it's not warming" to "okay, it's warming but it's not due to humans" to, "okay it's warming and humans are contributing" to today's PR message "okay it's warming, we need to stabilize our CO2 output, but it won't be that bad." The real question will be asked by future generations, "why did our generation knowingly take this risk and leave them paying the price?"

And I'll stop there as well and get back to the snowpack topic, which most climate change models predict to decrease in California as a trend toward more rain and less as snowpack. What we have right now is just a good old fashion drought.