Thanks Steve. I knew you would have the answers. For my first trip to Whitney I did the Horseshoe Meadow, New Army Pass, Soldier Lake, Miter Basin, Crabtree Pass, Discovery Pinnacle route. Then out the same way. Some say this is some of the best scenery in the Sierra. It sure rates high with me. All this done with just a wilderness permit. Last Oct. I set out on the MT one day after the Big Snow Dump. It was a snow slog/postholeing fest. Spent one night on the ledges above Trailside Meadow and one night at Trail Camp. Too much snow for just trekking poles and microspikes, so I bailed. As you see, two trips to Whitney, and still I have'nt had the pleasure of going up and down the switchbacks. This Sept. my plan is to head up through Miter Basin veer right above Sky Blue Lake, head up and over Arc Pass, camp at Consultation Lake then summit. One more night at Consultation Lake, then down the MT to Portal. So I guess I just need a wilderness permit with a Trail Crest exit date specified. Does this sound right? ---- Thanks John